tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post115447282633549298..comments2024-03-27T16:39:43.522+00:00Comments on Liberal England: A straw man?Jonathan Calderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-1154696598012917152006-08-04T14:03:00.000+01:002006-08-04T14:03:00.000+01:00Drats! Foiled again, I'll crawl back under my rock...Drats! Foiled again, I'll crawl back under my rock now...Lobster Blogsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14187795553504972758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-1154593951547475842006-08-03T09:32:00.000+01:002006-08-03T09:32:00.000+01:00Surely he is claiming that this is what other peop...Surely he is claiming that this is what other people believe rather than stating his own belief?<BR/><BR/>Your first example was on the money but this one does not qualify.Jonathan Calderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-1154560493916567352006-08-03T00:14:00.000+01:002006-08-03T00:14:00.000+01:00I fear this one will be ruled out of order too, bu...I fear this one will be ruled out of order too, but I've just got to try.<BR/><BR/><I>In Britain it is accepted that parents own their children, we can hit them and we can exclude them from important parts of education.</I><BR/><BR/>From a chap named Mark Sandell, Oxford who <A HREF="http://www.workersliberty.org/node/1976" REL="nofollow">submitted a post</A> to a blog on 16 April, 2004.<BR/><BR/>No idea if he's sane or not. He seems to have got the hang of sentences and paragraphs, although I have spotted a missing apostrophe. He appears to be making a fairly coherent argument and the ownership thing is just dropped in as a bit of background, so sadly he doesn't give any reason why he holds the belief.<BR/><BR/>I guess you could always drop him a line and see if he can justify his belief.<BR/><BR/>In tackling this little exercise I've come to the view that the child ownership thing is an "almost" straw man. There are plenty of examples of people holding it up to knock it down, but its just a little bit too much to say that no one holds the view.<BR/><BR/>My fear is that you will say that you can't count this example because we have no idea why he says it. But even irrational beliefs are beliefs so I'm looking for a more definate reason why this won't count.Lobster Blogsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14187795553504972758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-1154546568591447892006-08-02T20:22:00.000+01:002006-08-02T20:22:00.000+01:00LobsterHe is obviously barking mad, but I grant yo...Lobster<BR/><BR/>He is obviously barking mad, but I grant you this is an example. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>So any sane examples from the UK anyone?Jonathan Calderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-1154541757527749882006-08-02T19:02:00.000+01:002006-08-02T19:02:00.000+01:00As far as I can judge, what Archard is criticising...As far as I can judge, what Archard is criticising is the idea that at around four years of age, children are sent to a school that will teach them the religious beliefs of their parents.<BR/><BR/>Why is a four year old sent to a school of a particular faith? After all , they would have to be theological geniuses to have decided by that age what their own religious faith is going to be, if any.<BR/><BR/>They are sent to that school because it is the preferred choice of their parents. Historically , many English village schools were Church of England schools because of the way they were created - but that doesn't mean that we should create any more (particularly as CoE schools have tended to treat religion with a fairly light touch and not turned out generations if fire-and-brimstone creationists)Onlinefocus Teamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04380208481112766609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-1154486874734501152006-08-02T03:47:00.000+01:002006-08-02T03:47:00.000+01:00A bit of googling and I found this example from 30...A bit of googling and I found this example from 30th June 2006.<BR/><BR/><I>According to the common law, a creator absolutely owns that which he creates. That is why parents DO own their children.</I><BR/><BR/>From a comment on <A HREF="http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2006/06/30/news_letters/opinion_letters.1.txt" REL="nofollow">magicvalley.com</A><BR/><BR/>I'm not pretending I read all this, it looks like balooney to me, but it seems it is being stated in the Aristotelian form.Lobster Blogsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14187795553504972758noreply@blogger.com