tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post4870419174860937047..comments2024-03-28T22:32:50.562+00:00Comments on Liberal England: Nick Clegg, what have you sacrificed?Jonathan Calderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-16416325829317666782007-11-10T16:40:00.000+00:002007-11-10T16:40:00.000+00:00Nick Clegg is the junior - aiming to win without d...<I>Nick Clegg is the junior - aiming to win without doing very much. This is also true of Nick's supporters in the blogosphere. They have attacked Chris Huhne's views on Trident and the statement on his campaign website from Chris Clarke without offering much that is positive themselves.</I><BR/><BR/>But surely that isn't the job of bloggers. It is up to the campaign teams to say what each candidate stands for, not those blogging in support of one or the other.<BR/><BR/>I have done one positive posting on why I think Nick would be good, and I have put up one negative posting over my concerns about Chris' campaigning. Most bloggers have done the same sort of thing in respect of their preferred candidate.<BR/><BR/>If you want the official policy of each candidate then you should go to the candidate websites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-9469555118643414922007-11-10T10:59:00.000+00:002007-11-10T10:59:00.000+00:00Dear Anonymous: It is the Philippe Sands piece in ...Dear Anonymous: It is the Philippe Sands piece in Comment is Free that is suspect on close examination. Professor Norman Dombey takes it apart in an insightful comment. On my blog I have pointed out an additional defect in Sands' piece.Jo Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10803288642110038102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-14323449977890327832007-11-10T10:46:00.000+00:002007-11-10T10:46:00.000+00:00Ok Jonathan - Great Repeal Act, earned route to ci...Ok Jonathan - Great Repeal Act, earned route to citizenship for irregular migrants, going to prison over ID cards, constantly banging the drum over pupil premiums (and having to face mis-representation for doing so), DNA Database, council tax.<BR/><BR/>I suppose you could criticse him for attacking the other parties not the existing policies of his own (as of course Chris does on Trident). But that hardly seems a great crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-5508236398735764762007-11-10T10:26:00.000+00:002007-11-10T10:26:00.000+00:00Fancy a gameFancy a gameUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020757579092579521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-46867661842626236832007-11-10T00:31:00.000+00:002007-11-10T00:31:00.000+00:00Bullseye: Nowhere do I say that Nick is taking ide...Bullseye: Nowhere do I say that Nick is taking ideas from Chris. If I believed that the chess analogy would not work.<BR/><BR/>If I thought Nick were "is looking to challenge some of our ideas about the relationship between the state and the individual so that our liberal rhetoric is actually matched by policy priorities" I would be greatly encouraged.<BR/><BR/>Can you post some links that show him doing this?<BR/><BR/>Paul: Fair point, but one aggressive move does not make a successful attack.<BR/><BR/>Final anonymous commenter: You make my point for me. You support Nick, but all you do is attack Chris. Where are your positive ideas?Jonathan Calderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-84136081233725531122007-11-09T21:21:00.000+00:002007-11-09T21:21:00.000+00:00You only cite one of Chris' policies as being visi...You only cite one of Chris' policies as being visionary or 'attacking' trident - but this is the same policy he ran with last time (and of course lost) and also seems to be suspect under close examination, see Phillipe Sands' piece on comment is free. I hardly think posting a provcative endorsement by Chris Clarke which was obviously inappropriate and unwarranted can be seen as a great attacking move; more of a blunder I'd have thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-67765868163765829562007-11-09T16:43:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:43:00.000+00:00Bullseye - don't think I've ever heard 'radicalism...Bullseye - don't think I've ever heard 'radicalism' as a 'comfortable certainty' before!<BR/><BR/>Your reason for supporting Nick is my reason for being suspiscious.<BR/><BR/>He keeps using the rhetoric but not saying what direction he actually wants to take us in.<BR/><BR/>He either doesn't know what policies he thinks the party should adopt on public services or he does know and doesn't want to tell us.<BR/><BR/>Either way it's not very convincing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-76928533931388862832007-11-09T11:19:00.000+00:002007-11-09T11:19:00.000+00:00Generally speaking I would agree with this - but C...Generally speaking I would agree with this - but Clegg did say he would prepared to go to jail rather than carry an ID card, which strikes me as a bit more of an attacking move than you give him credit for.Paul Linfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977920120772282561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-12384520560742364602007-11-09T08:51:00.000+00:002007-11-09T08:51:00.000+00:00JonathanA little unfair I think. Nick's ideas do n...Jonathan<BR/><BR/>A little unfair I think. Nick's ideas do not all come from Chris,far from it. Infact there is an increasingly sharp difference in emphasis. Chris is appealling the the traditonal comfortable certainties of localism and 'radicalism', while Nick is looking to challenge some of our ideas about the relationship between the state and the individual so that our liberal rhetoric is actually matched by policy priorities.<BR/><BR/>Nick has articulated his vision well, he has not though laid out a detailed policy prospectus. Which is a good thing. We are a democratic party and the leader should not dictate policy centrally. A candidate should lay out the principles which he wants to base his future agenda on and then when elected work with the party to translate that into a detailed programme. One commitment I would like to see from Nick is a fundamental policy review, so that policies on education and health can get a throrough overhaul if he is elected leader.Bullseyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18347146128494224647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-7885425711102812232007-11-09T07:51:00.000+00:002007-11-09T07:51:00.000+00:00I think the problem is that Nick can only spell ou...I think the problem is that Nick can only spell out a vision, not policies. Hopefully as the campaign goes on and he starts adding more detail we'll have a better sense of how his leadership would change the party. At the moment it's difficult to separate out the existing from the new. <BR/><BR/>Huhne's got the same problem. His platform seems closer to what we already do and I'm concerned that the voters are currently rejecting us quite categorically. <BR/><BR/>A dilemma, and for the membership obvious risks whichever way you go.Charlotte Gorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08285484165186268299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-27659618066673682512007-11-09T07:47:00.000+00:002007-11-09T07:47:00.000+00:00The mention of Kasparov in a political context for...The mention of Kasparov in a political context forces me to link to <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQYyPooETcI" REL="nofollow">this</A>. I can certainly agree that we need someone like that!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18043589000537697186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-24498500931982769172007-11-09T07:39:00.000+00:002007-11-09T07:39:00.000+00:00I have the feeling that Huhne's views, aren't that...I have the feeling that Huhne's views, aren't that radical after all, either. Yes, he says that <I>"let's get rid of Trident"</I>, that would be radical, if there wouldn't be the small print, <I>"but let's replace it with some smaller nukes"</I>. That somehow makes the apparent radicalism commonplace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-66653677865898992132007-11-09T06:21:00.000+00:002007-11-09T06:21:00.000+00:00cool blogcool blogsnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15853037614866843744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-32854844898131061982007-11-09T01:55:00.000+00:002007-11-09T01:55:00.000+00:00Echoes exactly my concerns, although I would proba...Echoes exactly my concerns, although I would probably have articulated it in terms of Ticket to Ride.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com