tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post5507138186866190130..comments2024-03-27T16:39:43.522+00:00Comments on Liberal England: John Hobson, Jeremy Corbyn and ImperialismJonathan Calderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-87269266906521863792019-05-01T19:41:35.497+01:002019-05-01T19:41:35.497+01:00this appalling man has to be kept as far away from...this appalling man has to be kept as far away from power as possible.Corbyn is either lying to us the public or lying to himself. he is an antisemite despite his weak denials. The only thing he has not said as yet is that some of his best friends are JEWS.save the Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11291727470262484234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-69470748751387013382019-05-01T15:30:16.669+01:002019-05-01T15:30:16.669+01:00@Beautiful
I don't think anyone doubts that in...@Beautiful<br />I don't think anyone doubts that info can be scrubbed from Wiki (though I would expect this kind of thing to be replaced). However the other sources are not easily manipulated, and in any case the argument was, I think, that the information was not readily available.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-54400690845238437202019-05-01T11:38:05.649+01:002019-05-01T11:38:05.649+01:00I have looked up the book on Amazon and its descri...I have looked up the book on Amazon and its description makes no mention of antisemitism. Hobson's Imperialism was a very influential book and the fact that his analysis is marred by comments about Jewish financiers does not mean that it is not a useful book. Lenin was later able to use much of Hobson's analysis without making the mistake of singling out Jewish financiers and without being antisemitic. <br /> Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-14608463776846342702019-04-30T23:57:24.049+01:002019-04-30T23:57:24.049+01:00It seems, judging by the evidence Finkelstein pres...It seems, judging by the evidence Finkelstein presents here, that while Hobson did refer to leading financiers as being Jewish in 'The War in South Africa', he simply referred to them as 'these great businesses - banking' etc. in 'Imperialism', without any ethnic qualifier. I haven't read the full text of 'Imperialism', just extracts in university courses (years ago!); but I can only presume, if Hobson spoke in 'Imperialism' about 'financiers ... chiefly Jewish in race' or the stock exchange being 'mostly Jewish', or other phrases of that kind, Finkelstein would be quoting it verbatim. It would certainly strengthen his case, so he'd hardly leave it out of the article. <br /><br />So what we appear to have here is the following:<br /><br />1) Corbyn says positive things about 'Imperialism', where Hobson links imperial expansion to major financial interests.<br /><br />2) In another work entirely, which Corbyn said nothing about and may not have read (it's certainly much less well known), Hobson identified the major financiers as being Jewish.<br /><br />3) Finkelstein has rather artfully lumped 1 and 2 together. The third paragraph gives the reader a very strong impression that Hobson spoke about 'finance houses controlled by Jews' as the driving force behind imperialism 'not too many pages on from Mr Corbyn's foreword', but Finkelstein doesn't actually say that. <br /><br />So unless Finkelstein thinks that *any* pejorative reference to banks, finance capital, financial interests etc. is antisemitic - which can hardly be sustained without conflating Jews with finance in a way that topples straight back into antisemitism - it looks like he's strained the evidence well past what it will bear (that's a generous way of putting it). Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-87550585197635754342019-04-30T21:43:07.330+01:002019-04-30T21:43:07.330+01:00Interested parties routinely scrub articles of der...Interested parties routinely scrub articles of derogatory information. One cannot draw any inference at all from an omission in a Wikipedia article. It could be all of one person who is omitting it.<br /><br />Corbyn's endorsement of this book is the worst thing he's done, because it is not simply him tolerating the antisemitism of others. He is endorsing the antisemitism of others. <br /><br />Labour deserves better. BeautifulSingershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03306578267040399556noreply@blogger.com