tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post8201146994159166694..comments2024-03-27T16:39:43.522+00:00Comments on Liberal England: Let's leave "gammon" off the menuJonathan Calderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00730157683743989696noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-63834310438345224172018-05-17T10:30:23.986+01:002018-05-17T10:30:23.986+01:00I'd never heard this term gammon until I saw v...I'd never heard this term gammon until I saw via Twitter that Jonathan Calder had blogged criticising it the other day. Then I heard it three times in a couple of days. I agree with Jonathan (and my friends Matt and James) that we won't win a new referendum by repeating the mistakes of past or insulting people on the other side - though I do myself lapse and insult the antis a lot. I stopped supporting a second referendum a couple of months ago because a referendum on staying in the EU v a worse deal negotiated by the Tories (or Labour) will be lost. The people who voted out will still vote out unless they have a much better choice that isn't the same as before. If the choice is the same as before - anti-the EU which they instinctively, emotionally, lied to or as a protest, believe; or pro-the EU - most people who voted out to quit will vote the same way and some people who voted to stay will join them.<br /><br />I believe the only way Britain can stay in the EU is if the EU collectively agree a better deal for all EU member states - less expensive, less bureaucracy, less regulation being done at EU level if it is not actually best or necessarily done at EU level, and a return to free movement of workers being not tied up with interfering in a country's internal politics and social systems. Plus on our Brit side much more government cash for areas of the country with more EU migrants (or inpats as someone in the New European called them) to reflect both the increased demand for some services and the positive taxes that most EU migrants pay. I never see any evidence for the claim that the EU is being objectionable, but certainly their political leaders do not seem to be trying to win over the ordinary public in many countries with a better deal for all of us in Europe.Kiron Reidhttp://www.kironreid.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6606798.post-60638833704398207522018-05-13T22:38:04.218+01:002018-05-13T22:38:04.218+01:00The same in the US.
You can't just call all T...The same in the US.<br /><br />You can't just call all Trump voters racist and sexist dinosaurs. There are many reasons people voted the way they did.<br /><br />I'm bracing myself for the blue wave to not appear in they way many seem to be assuming.Tristanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15395992764678278326noreply@blogger.com