Monday, August 12, 2013

Roger Helmer, underage girls and consent

Thanks to Scott Collins on Twitter for posting a link to a Hope Not Hate item about Roger Helmer (a UKIP MEP for the East Midlands) and his interview about underage sex and consent on with Stephen Nolan.

The page that hosts the interview gives a choice quote:
"Suppose a 15-year-old girl is at a club with a pop star, and he says 'how about it, dear'? and she says 'yes please, I was hoping you'd ask'. In most people's book, that constitutes consent. Legally, she cannot consent, but in real terms, she can."
but you really have to listen to the whole thing.

This is not the first time that Helmer has given us the benefit of his views on sexual crime. Back in 2011, when he was still a Conservative MEP, he announced that there are two kinds of rape:
While in the first case, the blame is squarely on the perpetrator and does not attach to the victim, in the second case the victim surely shares a part of the responsibility, if only for establishing reasonable expectations in her boyfriend’s mind.
The problem, I suspect, is that Helmer is not very bright and inordinately fond of the sound of his own voice. The result is that he has convinced himself that his bizarre and distasteful views are what most voters believe too.

You would think it is impossible to be thrown out of UKIP for your views - when I challenged Nigel Farage on Twitter over Helmer's views on rape, he replied that members were free to believe what they wanted - but Helmer seems determined to test that belief to destruction.

Meanwhile, my post "Don't blame the decade for sexual abuse" from last year turns out to provide a good reply to Helmer.


Paul Perrin said...

You believe that at midnight on the eve of the day 16 years after a person was born they are suddenly, physically and mentally changed?

Intersting, do you think this is a magical, religious, biological change?

I think it is a legal generality/convenience. It lets courts decide on the grey areas.

But, hey, you can pretend it is real/physical/mental transformation if it suits your prejudice.

Jonathan Calder said...

It is perhaps worth pointing out that Paul was Ukip's candidate in Hove at the 2010 general election.

Paul Perrin said...

Why would it be 'worth poining' that out? Which bit of what I wrote do you think it is relevant to?

I think you are simply demonstrating and trying to encourgate that prejudice of yours I pointed out...

Horatio Street said...

Much as I dislike UKIP, Roger Helmer is correct.
The interviewer is trying to say the legal position is the only one that exists.
Roger Helmet is saying the real world is different.

As an example, at 23, I entered into a relationship with a woman of 36.
She told me she started having sex at 12.
The way she did it, she told me, was to lead boys on.
She knew exactly what she was doing.
This was a 36 year old woman, looking back and saying she was the one in control.